[tor-relays] 2024 : time to stop using Telegram (e.g. in Bridge line communication.).

Telegram is Russian and spying :

- creator Pavel Durov a Russian who refuses to use the world-known encryption algorythms and uses his (MTProto) implying that the Russian have the encryption keys.

source : Telegram Review 2024: Pros, Cons, and Test Results

- The servers are in the Arab Emirates (part of the B.R.I.C.S and allies of Russia) who have gained against the cia some immunity in exchange for their Oil.

source : Telegram (software) - Wikipedia

- The App is officially sharing information about any device and messages with the Russian authorities, who use the Telegram conversation officially in trials against opponents.
source : The Kremlin Has Entered Your Telegram Chat | WIRED

How does this align with any of Tor's values?

Carlos.

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All this is pretty scary. Pretty much any exit node manager can be arrested on the very same basis.

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boldsuck via tor-relays wrote on 8/26/24 13:11: > On Montag, 26. August 2024 00:45:20 CEST eff_03675549@posteo.se wrote:

Telegram is Russian and spying :

- creator Pavel Durov

was arrested yesterday in France.

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> Telegram is Russian and spying :
>
>
> - creator Pavel Durov

was arrested yesterday in France.

In general, I would like to point out SimpleX-Chat.
https://simplex.chat/ GitHub - simplex-chat/simplexmq: โš™๏ธ SimpleXMQ - A reference implementation of the SimpleX Messaging Protocol for simplex queues over public networks.

I've been using it for a few months. Decentralized, no ID, protected
metadata, multiple user profiles, some designs taken from the Tor
protocol. All SimpleX servers optionally accessible via Tor and you
can run your own private SimpleX server.

It does seem promising.

I would note the following:

1. It doesn't appear the server can launch exclusively on the Tor
network. Nor the client. Further, the server uses the IP as the CN
during initialization. How much this matters, I don't know.

2. It's not clear to me how the client would be configured to
exclusively bind to self-hosted infra (except to add own servers and
remove all the ones in there by default).

3. It would be nice for someone to post about their experience
bootstrapping their own self-hosted SimpleX, soup to nuts, and how it
went, but I couldn't find any in a casual search, except some people
talking about it on Reddit (such as the QR code linking). I'd like to
step through replicating someone's (working) approach, how they brought
it all together, what worked and what didn't, etc.

Jack Dorsey invested a large sum in further development a few days
ago.

VCs do not invest without the expectation of profits, however modest
those expectations could be. Profit motives aren't in and of themselves
a dead-end (as Proton AG creates a foundation to, as they say, "put
people before profits") ... but it gives me (opinion) some suspicion.

It could be that jack is interested in the long tail of what SimpleX
means to growing some other companies.

$1.3M is not much, IMO.

"Name still reminds everyone of herpes." -- jack

Unfortunate, but as he says, fixable.

But the bar for using SimpleX for sharing bridge lines probably isn't
lower than Telegram. There could be chilling effects associated with
Durov's arrest, so self-hosting could become very important. It should
have already been important, but the sheep don't care about these things
until they're under threat.

fjord

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On Mon Aug 26, 2024 at 4:11 AM PDT, boldsuck via tor-relays wrote:

On Montag, 26. August 2024 00:45:20 CEST eff_03675549@posteo.se wrote:

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And anybody can be arrested for having some Anti-regime conversation over Telegram that has spontaneously opted for Obscure,

  • closed source-code,
  • non-auditable,
  • servers in the EAU,
  • with a weak-encryption one-of-a-kind alternative to globally recognized consensus,
  • long known to be fawned globally,
  • submissive to the FSB in REAL-TIME.

Tor is all the oppositeโ€ฆ how has our self-acclaimed specialist skills fallen for, SIGNAL not, yet Telegram TO COMMUNICATE NEW BRIDGES?.

Free public French victimization of the Agent from prospective beneficiary govs. is a blessing for a quick proselyte ASSANGE!! / ZUCKERBERG?? โ†’ to โ€”> DUROV#$ association, when 8 million uneducated users want for their privacy: a Father.

Using Telegram is in line with those who want to offer bridges and dissidents to govs.

Please do not take that literally here, yet too honestly:
how more difficult would be for a regime to censor communication of new Bridges even if that was done to random addresses by postal mail on a hand-written paper with a pen!.

Carlos.

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On 8/26/24 12:45 AM, eff_03675549@posteo.se wrote:

Telegram is Russian and spying :

  • creator Pavel Durov a Russian who refuses to use the world-known encryption algorythms and uses his (MTProto) implying that the Russian have the encryption keys.

source : https://restoreprivacy.com/secure-encrypted-messaging-apps/telegram/

  • The servers are in the Arab Emirates (part of the B.R.I.C.S and allies of Russia) who have gained against the cia some immunity in exchange for their Oil.

source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software)

How does this align with any of Torโ€™s values?

Carlos.

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